Vapoteurs have authority to speak

We should confidently claim our authority.

This is the free dictionary definition of "authority"

8. Confidence derived from experience or practice; firm self-assurance: played the sonata with authority.

 

All vapoteurs have authority. Our authority comes from our experience of vaping. We absolutely KNOW about vaping because we are vaping.

 

No Authority (different meaning) should override our authority. 

 

Definition of Authority -

1.

a. The power to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge.

b. One that is invested with this power, especially a government or body of government officials: land titles issued by the civil authority.

2. Power assigned to another; authorization: Deputies were given authority to make arrests.

3. A public agency or corporation with administrative powers in a specified field: a city transit authority.

 

These people in Authority, have no authority. In the UK, Public Health Authorities are very confusing. Some are simply Lobby Groups, Sock Puppets who get our taxes to lobby the Government about things that THEY deem important. In other countries, Lobbying is controlled. Here we pay lobby groups to lobby! They are businesses to my mind.

 

Within Government there is a Government Health Department.

 

They can do extraordinary things like desire to close down a heart unit in a hospital, be legally thwarted by public outrage, and then, do it anyway (because that's what they wanted to do in the first place to cut expenses), showing us that people in the UK have very little power.

 

According to our Government this is how it works.

Looks good on paper, yes?

A Government is a registered Corporation. We pay the employees with our taxes. (that includes doctors, teachers, the police). I have seen a frightening growth of Authority in my life time. Science is an Authority on just about everything and leads our culture by the ring in our symbolic noses. Because Authority is intimidating, we become feint hearted before it. We obey - even if it is non-logical.

But, Vapoteurs (life-style vapers), keep heart. About vaping WE are authorities.

 

Different motives in vapers which include e-cig users and dual users and e-cig users using e-cigs to quit.

So, how I see it, there are vapers which include e-cig users and dual users and then there are e-cig users using e-cigs to quit.

I think in my post There are vapers and electronic cigarette users - different animals 

I should have made it clear that the motive is the thing that makes these two groups different animals.

There are loads of electronic cigarettes being sold for "quitting". People buy them to quit smoking. They are very successful for quitting. It's the idea that vaping is only a step in a smokers journey to free himself from the terrible enslavement of smoking that will endear e-cigs to anti smokers. These are the electronic cigarettes that Tobacco Control will support. Their dream is a world free from smoking.  Medical e-cigs will have a dual benefit, money in the coffers of the drug companies, and a delicious feeling of victory to lifestyle sculptors and do gooders.

Vapers, those vapers which include e-cig users and dual users who have the motive of continued vaping are going to be their nightmare. It's us that are going to cop it because we don't WANT to quit. 

I'm a child of the sex, drugs and rock n roll generation. We are proving to be a damn nuisance because of our hardiness. Many of us are smokers. It took me a long time to admit that banning smoking indoors was a good thing, unless indoors was full of consenting smokers where banning it became a most illogical step. It is an illogical law in our modern technological age where air purification is so easy to do, not to provide smoking rooms. I recently went into a pub where I gagged on the stink. It was better when smoking was allowed there.

To stop people smoking outdoors, in buildings open to the air like train platforms, parks, outdoor events etc is not logical. It was this skewed thinking that made me understand that we are not working towards public health, but towards a whole eradication of smoking. We are a society now guided by the insane.

So, if the anti smokers get their way, which they have terrifyingly done in one generation, they will not want vapers whose motive is NOT to quit, to carry on vaping.

I believe that people should have autonomy in what they do when it affects no one else but themselves. Second Hand Smoke has been the trump card for making people conform to interference and society to allow this intrusion into smokers rights. And smokers do have rights. They have the right to smoke a legal product, tobacco. I feel really angry that the anti smoking movement have perpetrated an act of violence on society in the name of health. It's not about health, it's about power and vengeance, profit and greed.

 Vapers which include e-cig users and dual users who want to continue using, by their motive, will be a problem to anti smokers, precisely because we don't WANT to quit.

               

VT Talk 27.03 The EU and Glenis the Menace - excellent listening for vapoteurs in the UK

I am a real fan of VapourTrails.TV. If you live in the UK, it's a gateway into things that are happening here and vaping. Most episodes are worth watching, but VT Talk 27.03 The EU and Glenis the Menace, is especially good. It uplifted me, depressed me and inspired me.

Please listen. Please decide what YOU can do to keep your autonomy despite the impulse by politicians to to legislate, legislate and ban, ban, ban.

Evidently Glenis Willmott is important in that she is  Labour's EU MEP and sits on The Tobacco Directive Commission. She is an ignorant lady and she represents US. We might be able to politely educate her. Remember also to tell your personal story to your MEP and MP. you can do that easily on "Write to them" (but remember doing it that way, you will NOT be able to embed any live links which is a great pity.)

Glenis Willmott
Harold Wilson House
23 Barratt Lane
Attenbotough
Nottingham
NG9 6AD

Tel 01159229717
Fax 01159224439

email: office@gleniswillmott.org.uk
www.gleniswillmott.org.uk

Vapoteurs should we be alarmed at this news? Mmmm.

I was a bit alarmed to read this - its a summary of this.

This is a manufacturing issue and after some thought during the night I realised it can be put right.

Basically, in prefilled cartomisers tested from one suplier in USA over a two year period,

Quote:-

"The filament, a nickel-chromium wire, was coupled to a thicker copper wire coated with silver. The silver coating was sometimes missing. Four tin solder joints attached the wires to each other and coupled the copper/silver wire to the air tube and mouthpiece. All cartomizers had evidence of use before packaging (burn spots on the fibers and electrophoretic movement of fluid in the fibers). Fibers in two cartomizers had green deposits that contained copper. Centrifugation of the fibers produced large pellets containing tin. Tin particles and tin whiskers were identified in cartridge fluid and outer fibers. Cartomizer fluid with tin particles was cytotoxic in assays using human pulmonary fibroblasts. The aerosol contained particles >1 µm comprised of tin, silver, iron, nickel, aluminum, and silicate and nanoparticles (<100 nm) of tin, chromium and nickel. The concentrations of nine of eleven elements in EC aerosol were higher than or equal to the corresponding concentrations in conventional cigarette smoke. Many of the elements identified in EC aerosol are known to cause respiratory distress and disease."

CONCLUSIONS:

"The presence of metal and silicate particles in cartomizer aerosol demonstrates the need for improved quality control in EC design and manufacture and studies on how EC aerosol impacts the health of users and bystanders." End quote

Oooo - I don't like the bystander bit! Reminds me of SHS. But we can expect persecution of SHV too.

On the whole, the report on the testing of the cartomisers didn't give me the feeling of pre-determined-planned-attack-on-vaping mode by the researchers who did it, especially when you read the care they took in their research (second link).What do you think?

Some vapers do not use cartomisers because of the stuffing in them. I don't use them because I think they spoil the flavour of my e-liquid. So I use tanks. And I make my own atomisers - but I am still using wire and wick. And I really don't know what kind of metal the shaft in my tanks are. It has occured to me that everything seems plastic, and I know plastic releases chemicals too.

I am sure we will make progress in making vaping very safe. God knows what came into my lungs over fifty years of smoking! My vaping is better for me - I can FEEL it.

Also, we live in such a hypocritical world. We have spent billions to stop people smoking and blaming every illness under the sun on the habit, when we are harming ourselves with all kinds of emissions like deisel, plastics, etc and now we purposely put nanoparticles in cosmetics, medications, clothing, cleaning products and sun block. Who is worrying about THAT?

So - what the hell! 

I shall carry on vaping vapoteurs - it's still better for me than smoking. But today I have been counting my puffs!

from Wonder Wikipedia
 

Diesel exhaust pollution is thought to account for over one quarter of the total hazardous pollution in the air, and a disproportionately high share of the load of sickness and death caused by pollution.^[2]

Vaping - answer to the West's prayer - for the privileged

I think electronic cigarettes and vaping have been the West's answer to a prayer. I know China has lots of good ideas - but for me personally, the e-cig has been one of it's best!

We are still getting used to the idea of this amazing invention. Lots of people are suspicious of it - but I think it's unstoppable now. But maybe mainly in more wealthy countries among people who can afford it. I have just given a load of stuff to someone I know who is very strapped for cash, and who would like to try vaping. For someone like that, even disposables look expensive.


I was reading an article that appeared in Canada - (see below). I think it has some good points in it - and some of these points will apply to countries where electronic cigarettes are more expensive than smoking. And where communities do not have access to shops, or the internet. Vaping in a country where cigarettes are cheap seems a little crazy, especially because the cost is greater and to a new electronic cigarettes user, the experience is not always better.

Paul Bergan asks at the end of his blog "These are just points that have come up in wondering about whether there is a bit of a class difference in vaping. Can it really penetrate all the way down? Or will the healthier (and more pleasant) option remain a privilege of higher earners?"

And I think the answer is yes. I think we are privileged.

The points Paul makes are below the link to his article....one of them that struck me is that you can't offer e-cigs around as you would a cigarette. Mind you, I never did, because I rolled my own, and they had been well and truly licked by me! Only the most hardy friend accepted one.

Vaping will grow for other reasons than being healthier but it will still remain out of the reach of some people by Paul Bergen

1. The non-disposable market is tough for anyone but really motivated people to get into. I have an espresso machine and grinder and it took me a while to get them just right. To me good coffee is the dominant luxury in my life and I will work at keeping it being more than mundane. In Canada, it is pretty easy to get kits but, except for non-nicotine versions, disposables are more difficult to come by. So, it is the device with a learning curve against the well known strike a match and yer done.
2. Unless they are disposables, people who make the least money and also are the most likely to smoke cannot afford the initial outlay to get into one of the kits. Once you have it it might be cheaper but if you are living near the edge its hard to pony up the $60 or so it takes to start.
3. Disposable or not, cigarettes remain a social glue in the ability to give one to someone.
4. Vaping undermines the idea of a cigarette break for those who still get or demand them. Cigarettes represent a set passage of time.
5. Most of all, cigarettes are still easier to get. You can walk into a store with $10. You do not need a shipping address and credit card or internet connection.
6. Though few take advantage of this, anybody can grow tobacco in their back yard.
These are just points that have come up in wondering about whether there is a bit of a class difference in vaping. Can it really penetrate all the way down? Or will the healthier (and more pleasant) option remain a privilege of higher earners?

 

There are vapers and electronic cigarette users - different animals

The way I see it, and the problem that exists with people ignorant of our habit, is that you can put us into two groups.

There are the group that use electronic cigarettes to quit smoking.

And there are hobby vapoteurs who have taken to vaping instead of smoking.

The first group will have the sympathy of our masters in Government and the European Union because they actually seem to have figured out that electronic cigarettes are more successful in helping quitters than the old NRT stuff. The group that use electronic cigarettes to quit smoking are safe.

The second group - hobby vapoteurs will be considered smokers. We are the people who want to continue our addiction to the terrible drug, nicotine. Nocotine, is, of course, THE evil thing in tobacco that has enslaved all pathetic, disgusting smokers and the drug that will enslave all the children who touch cigarettes or try vaping. Nicotine is a dangerous and terrible poison. We all know that because it has been drummed into the world psyche as an unchallengeable truth (and proved by science!)  

Our masters are guided carefully by the Anti Tobacco Industry whose meticulously unbiased science, and completely honest and translucent motive to improve the health of the world, has been a rallying light making interference in personal liberty seem quite moral and right. This has made smokers the most vilified species on Earth. Can you think of any lifestyle more evil? Smokers have complete disregard for polluting the air around themselves and causing illness and death to millions of poor souls worldwide, and polluting the air in their own lungs bringing about illness and death to themselves and costing the Health Services in all countries millions and millions in wasted money. There are no more despised people than smokers. There are no more persecuted groups in the West, than smokers, and, in the name of health, all of the world is expected to despise and persecute them in the way of the west. Anti smoking missionaries are busy everywhere.

Hobby vapoteurs are keeping the pleasure of smoking alive. They have no intention of quitting. They enjoy, ENJOY their hobby!  Now, if you believed that it was quite moral to persecute one group of people for a lifestyle choice so that they are constrained by regulation never to enjoy their habit anywhere except in their own homes (and even those have been threatened), then lumping hobby vapoteurs into the category of "smoker" seems a logical extension.

Do we have any leg to stand on? Nicotine dependence is a horrible addiction. Nicotine comes from tobacco. Tobacco is evil. E-liquid is therefor a "tobacco" product. It must be controlled by our Masters for our own good. All the gains of the last 40 years of  meticulously unbiased science, and completely honest and translucent motives by Tobacco Control to improve the health of the world, will be blown if a pleasing alternative to smoking establishes itself. Harm Reduction will not be good enough to justify allowing it.

I have watched how the world has been changed to persecution mode in my lifetime. It has frightened me to see it. I have watched how human rights have been honoured in all sorts of surprising and morally correct ways which has pleased me. Some things are much better than they were. The insanity that has distressed me is how easy it has been for a small group of people to take Second Hand Smoke as an excuse to twist the thinking of virtually the whole world. The end vision is a world without smoking, SHS was just a convenient scapegoat.

And we have just allowed it. People have stood by whilst smokers have been punished and made to abstain from the pleasure of smoking by banning smoking even in the outdoors showing that the legislation has got nothing to do with health, but with something much more sinister. Who has fought for the right of people to choose their own way of life? Who has protested at the hardships that MY generation has endured so that smoking can be stopped as any kind of pleasurable thing? How many old people, now, simply stay at home?

So, vapoteurs, if we are serious about our hobby, what do we do? I really don't know.

I didn't know what to do when, gradually, laws came in to constrain me as a smoker. I was always sure someone would speak out. But they never did.

And so, it continues.

Vapoteurs - standing up for smokers?

I wrote this in June last year - We ARE smokers which said:- "This might be a touchy point for all vapers who feel holier-than-thou over those poor souls who still smoke. I know, I sometimes wonder why smokers don't vape - I feel cleaner, better, fitter and and internally delighted that I don't have to go outside and stand in the rain to have my fix. I can vape anywhere - even in taboo places - by vaping in the loo. That's an advantage over smokers. There are advantages that vapers have over smokers - but that is ALL they are, advantages and not indications we are in any way better than smokers.

I watch how smokers are persecuted. I place myself firmly against anti-smoking witch hunting. I will not do it myself - I am a smoker who vapes. What happens to smokers is very important to me, watching how the persecution is rolled out, gives us vapers foreknowledge of what might happen to us. We ARE smokers!"

I had several cross responses to my post on Google+ and Facebook.

Yesterday's post by me, received two important comments. One pointed out that when we approach our MEP's we need to be polite. My post was not to my MEP and Bill Hicks was not polite in the clip I embedded!

And this comment is important, Pat Nurse MA has left a new comment on your post "How should the EU regulate e cigarettes? Rabecca T...":

"Smoking became a problem when it became an "industry"" - Yep - same for E-Cigs too.

It is completely offensive that E-Cig companies try and market their product on the back on smoker denormalisation and smokerphobia.

I will stand up for E smokers - because you are still smokers however you try to sanitise the difference between us - but will they stand up for me?

Time will tell."
 
So, I have been thinking about the e-cig "industry". Currently e-cigs are not actually a whole "industry" - yet. They are fragmented, chaotic even. But many small companies are marketing themselves by seeming anti smoking, that's true. Of course, they do this at their own peril. Big Tobacco have entered the game with Blu in USA and purchases of some companies here in UK. So I think the "industry" is forming. One aspect is to make money off smokers trying to quit. And the other aspect is to make profit from smokers who have become vapers. So, we need to ask - Do we need to stand up for smokers at all?

Are we sanitised smokers? Should we be begging MEP's to "save our lives" and the lives of millions of smokers by not interfering with electronic cigarettes too much?

We are trying to save our skins by riding on the back of all the poor dying smokers?

On one side there are smokers consisting of people who smoke, smokers who vape, hobby vapoteurs and people who feel it is everyone's right to smoke or vape without persecution and on the other side there are anti smokers that include anti vapers and those trying to quit smoking and hoards of sheeples trotting along behind.

I think the confusion in this situation is that some of us vapers have got muddled up with the sheeples.

What do you think?

I  know which side I'm on. I'm too bloody-minded to be a sheeple. And as I said at the top of this page in June last year, I'm a smoker that vapes.

I am perfectly aware that as soon as the vaping "industry" clocks in properly, vaping will be promoted by marketers to everyone. And the whole witch-hunt, twististics and lies tactics used against smokers will be used against us.