Vaping can be heavenly

Vaping today, in the sun, before the rain came....deeelicious!

Monkey nuts for Pea brains at the EU.

No nuts warning on bag of nuts

A supermarket chain has withdrawn bags of nuts from sale – because they contain nuts.

Booths decided to pull its Whole Hearted Roasted Monkey Nuts from the aisles because its label does not declare it contains peanuts.

 “The packaging does not state that the product contains peanuts, which is a specific allergen that’s listed in legislation. People who are allergic to peanuts may not be allergic to other types of nuts. Without the correct information on the packaging, people with an allergy to peanuts who might not know or make the connection between peanuts and monkey nuts, for example children, might eat the product and experience an adverse reaction.”

Monkey nuts and Peanuts are the same thing.

Aubergine, Egg Plant and Brinjals are all the same thing.

Corn, maize and mealies are all the same thing.

Depending on where you live.

E cigs, e-cigs, e cigarettes, electronic cigarettes, PV's, PA's and"devices" are all the same thing to a vaper, depending how far into vaping you are. We have juice. We have e liquid.

Same thing, different words.

We have Nicotine Replacement Therapies like patches, gum and inhalers. We have Tobacco Harm Reduction like patches, gum and inhalers.  The legislation specifies peanuts.  "The packaging states that the product contains nicotine, which is a specific chemical that’s listed in legislation.". Used in patches, gum and inhalers it's ok.

But used in electronic cigarettes nicotine has to have severe legislation imposed upon it by the EU despite the fact that for Nicotine Replacement Therapies and Tobacco Harm Reduction electronic cigarettes outperform patches, gum and inhalers by leaps and bounds. And electronic cigarettes should be classified as "tobacco products" but not patches, gum and inhalers!

"The packaging does not state that the product contains peanuts, which is a specific allergen that’s listed in legislation."

Monkey nuts and Peanuts are the same thing. Perhaps the legislation needs to catch up?

Nicotine, after all, has only one name. Legislation can't make one thing not a "tabacco product" and the same thing a  "tobacco product", otherwise it's nuts!

 




 

Enthusiasm for vaping - Vapoteurs, is it for us or against us? I see it as STRENGTH.

I just watched this video

I thought it was great and agreed with everything that everyone said! But then, I'm a vaper.

On the Internet, there are thousands of videos explaining why vaping is great, or teaching, talking and explaining vaping. How can that be bad?

Well, they are anecdotal. Science only accepts that which has been "proven" in universities by "proper" science. When is science going to catch up with the times? If there are two million videos on how vaping has changed our lives for the better, it could be easy to find the ones on how vaping destroyed a life. I don't see those. Are there any?

Today I also just read this excellent piece

How Electronic Cigarettes Affect Your Lungs: Results of an Online Survey of Users

 At the bottom, there are a list of weaknesses in the study. One of them is that "1. As participants were recruited by social media, vaping forums and blogs, many participants are likely to be enthusiastic vapers which may lead to bias in subjective questions."

 So, our enthusiasm goes against us? 

Social media and science don't mix?  You mustn't ask the people who actually DO a thing about the thing they do, in case of bias. What would be the point of asking people who don't vape about vaping? Would that make better scientific sense? 

I see our enthusiasm as the biggest measurable fact that vaping is amazing and has changed our lives. To me that's scientific confirmation - of something immeasurable - like love - or hunger - or joy - conditions of experience where science has no power yet cannot deny its existence. 

Be enthusiastic vapoteurs - it's our big, BIG, BIG strength.

A state of suspension - s'wonderful!

For a week, I have had no internet connection. I have had no idea what is happening on the vaping scene. During this state of suspension, other things have happened to us. My husband decided to mend his chair which had two broken springs. He had been suffering with flu and not very well. The day he dismantled it, he became very ill and was put to bed for a week on strong antibiotics  by a ferocious doctor and told to do “nothing”. My husband finds bed a frightfully uncomfortable place, so it wasn't long before he was downstairs trying to watch TV on a small pink chair which gave him more discomfort than bed. The advantage to being downstairs was that he could watch all his favourite stuff on the Sky channel which we only have upstairs on a computer. BUT the internet was down.

So I had to do the sacrificial thing, and give him my chair. Our chairs are very special to us. We have had them for years. They are recliners – a “his” and a “hers”. By now, they are a perfect fit. So I ended up with the small pink chair. It has a bulge at the base of the back, presumably for support, not allowing for the slump position which is my normal choice. Furthermore, it has narrow wooden arms which give you carpel tunnel syndrome after an hour or so. And I have not been well either – I could feel a scratchy throat starting on the night of my Ravengrim interview on Vapers Place Anti-Nanny with Ravengrim Episode 28. After that broadcast, everything fell apart. I still haven't listened to it, and since, there has been another.

It has taken me a full 24 hours to deal with over 400 emails, YouTube comments and notifications I have had about vaping related things.

But right now I am listening to THE most uplifting broadcast right now - and I can see such a difference in a week, and I missed it.  S'wonderful!
  

VapourTrailsTV has uploaded vt talk 24-04 - U Turn? Looks like it!

 

You are invited to the second broadcast attempt tonight with Ravengrim on Vaper's Place tonight at 11.00pm UK time

Last week's broadcast went pear shape - nothing to do with us - so tonight, we are doing it again.

Thank you recognisable people I saw on live chat. Thank you for supporting us by your presence!

This is the live link for tonight's broadcast at 9:00pm EST and 11:00pm UK time.

And this is to use at any time the soundcloud link for past episodes

My letter to Chris Davies - please write too....

Chris Davies is asking for us to contact him about e cigs....

 

Dear Chris,

I have smoked for 50 years. The more repressive smokers' situations became the more determined I was never to stop smoking. You could call me one of those un-co-operative stubborn smokers. In August 2011 I bought an electronic cigarette to use because I was going somewhere I could not smoke. By October 2011, I had switched completely to vaping only. I found I preferred vaping to smoking. It was quite a miraculous event in my life. I think electronic cigarettes are amazing inventions. They have changed many lives in an equally miraculous way.

They work as they are NOW. (they are regulated quite well in the UK already as a consumer product, so saying they are unregulated is not true.) If the EU meddle in what, currently, I would call the greatest way to turn people away from smoking cigarettes, they will be short-sighted and foolish indeed.

I have only vaped for 20 or so months, but there are some vapers going into their 9th year of vaping. I have not heard of any negative health conditions stemming from vaping, though we need another decade to be sure. It is better, in that time, to offer smokers a way to lessen physical harm, by using something that is definitely less harmful short term and probably less harmful long term.

I very much doubt any young person who started vaping would ever switch to smoking a real cigarette as the experience would be, in comparison, quite awful. I would think smoking is the gateway to vaping and not the other way around. I think, as the laws are now, and with plain packaging immanent, young people will try smoking as a cool and dangerous poke in the eye to authority and collect and swap the mind violating images as a swagger.

In this circumstance, having electronic cigarettes as they are currently sold, as a consumer product, would save lives.

Electronic cigarettes are not sold as a quit smoking program. They are for reducing harm so that smokers may still enjoy the ambiance, the comradie and the joy of smoking, without inhaling poisons. They are a substitute for smoking. The flavouring is offered to enrich the taste and not to allure the young to try vaping.

I have found that the saying "Nicotine is what addicts people to smoking" to be questionable, and I believe that is even being investigated scientifically. Nicotine is as addictive as coffee - and as harmful. There is something in the burning tobacco leaf that makes the addiction - not the nicotine. Electronic cigarettes do not contain tobacco in any way and should not even fall under The Tobacco Control Directive.

As for the selling of electronic cigarettes - they are a consumer product, not a medical device. They have been an amazing invention for those smokers crushed between persecution and repressive legislation. And they should be treated as a product like any other. They should be avaliable to be sold anywhere.

If you need any information, there have been many scientific studies done now on vaping and electronic cigarettes by vapers  themselves who are policing their own practices, please don't hesitate to converse with me - or others who are far more knowledgeable.

There is a lot of mis-information and scaremongering coming from those who might be fearful of vaping being the new smoking, or those having vested interests in producing the mostly useless NRT Therapies or even cigarettes!

Electronic cigarettes, so far, have been a grass roots thing, controlled by no giant corporations, either drug, tobacco, or Governmental. It would be a sad, sad thing, that they get interfered with for whatever motive, fear, greed or control, to make them useless, instead of the best Harm Reduction tool available - for smokers.

Yours Sincerely,

Liz

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Numbers - Doll - vaping becomes imperative as tobacco becomes more deadly....

Numbers equal science. We know that if it is scientific it has numbers and statistics attached.

If you read old medical papers, studies have less numbers in them. Measuring everything in numbers and targets is a new phenomenon stimulated by the rise of "proper" science. Science used to be something a man did at his house, in his shed, in a backroom at work. He did it because he was interested in solving a puzzle. He did it through devotion.

Now science is done in Universities, funded by corporations, often as the student attempts to get his degree that entails writing a paper. His paper is a scientific study backed by the numbers convention of proving his postulation. Now, many postulations are proven because he is paid to prove them. I think science has become totally corrupt, especially the science linked to health.

In 1951Richard Doll started his doctor's study. He submitted reports in 1954, 1956 the 1970's This study lasted till 1991. It is full of numbers. It's true, numbers show us things. I think, of all the smoking and lung cancer studies, this one is stunning because of the time period and his dedication to it. He was devoted.

He noticed a strange thing. Smoking became MORE harmful to smokers in the last section of his studies. He says...."When current cigarette smokers were compared with lifelong non-smokers, the excess mortality associated with smoking was already substantial during 1951-71, but it was considerably more extreme during 1971-91. During 1951-71, the death rates in cigarette smokers were about double those in non-smokers throughout middle age; during 1971-91, the corresponding difference was nearly treble. If, as is likely, most of the difference in mortality between smokers and non-smokers is actually caused by smoking then a threefold excess would imply that about two thirds of the deaths in middle age among the smokers were caused by tobacco. Even at older ages the excess mortality associated with tobacco was substantially greater in 1971-91 than it was during 1951-71. This difference between the apparent effects of tobacco in the two periods arose because age specific mortality decreased substantially only among non-smokers."

But, he realises this is not logical and wonders why the improvement in healthcare did not affect also the smokers. There is some discussion about this strange fact - but I guess, that the warnings on Tobacco Packs became subliminal messages of death and made tobacco more dangerous.

Modern statistics record that smoking is more dangerous than the numbers Doll's Doctor's Study produced.

We are constantly being given visual images - medical porn - on what smoking does to us - and as we think - so it is.

I am not a smoker, but a vaper yet I believe that Plain Packaging and the medical violence of the visual images on it, deeply affects our minds. It is a criminal act on smokers by those who know not what they do. I think it is most important, but I seem to be a voice crying in the wilderness. My opinion is that the grotesque images on packs of cigarettes are so violent to the mind, that we severely affect our health by just looking at them. They take effect before even the cigarette has been lit!

If, in the future, there is some dedicated scientist who is devoted to exposing a great wrong, he could measure the effect of tobacco and lung cancer before and after the use of images on cigarette packs over the years.

I predict that those to whom the greatest harm will be done, is to the young people and the children who will grow up with nothing else but such abusive pictures in their minds, and to them tobacco will be deadly!

The only way to enjoy nicotine and  all the comradie, social pleasure and joy of "smoking" that I once had, is for me to be a vaper. I am a smoker who vapes only because I prefer vaping to smoking. But I have not forgotten my roots. I was treated unjustly. I was made to feel of the lowest class - a leper. I was mentally violated every time I opened a pouch of tobacco that told me it would kill me. I was relegated to outdoors, and then even that was taken away by law. Do you know of ANY group of humans so treated in a civilised country in Modern History? We were an expense to the State. We were milked in taxes and the profit was great. I will not forget. I am a human being. I am NOT a number. I am not a statistic, I have paid for every medical treatment I get. I have never harmed anyone by my smoking. The whiff of  Second Hand Smoke from me in the park will cause no harm. The harmful effects are measured by scientist's numbers over many many trillions of whiffs. and you won't be in them that long - not even in my car. You have been given the right to abuse me, to call me names, to not employ me, to suggest I am mentally ill, to invade my privacy, to judge me.

As a vaper I will remember my roots. I see the eyes of smoking enemies swiveling towards vapers. But, this time, it might be different. Vapers are ex-smokers. Remembering our roots might galvanise us into protecting our future because tobacco's modern deadly form, is not an option. Well, it's not for me.