Reformation for smokers will save vapers - our enemy's enemy is our friend

I feel sorry for Clive Bates who must be sick of me posting angry comments on his blog. He has just put up a new post (see above).

So I am having a rant here instead.

I really, really wish that the scales would fall from the eyes of people involved with Tobacco Control as he is.

The correct moral way forward is to expose Tobacco Control for what they are. I am not surprised at anything they do. It is to be expected. If they can lie about Second Hand Smoke, they can lie and HAVE, about anything.

EPIDEMIOLOGICAL EVIDENCE ON ENVIRONMENTAL TOBACCO SMOKE AND LUNG CANCER

No figures they put about should ever be repeated, because they are simply guesses to promote a particular idea. In science, that is frightfully dangerous. We can see dishonesty and manipulation happening before our very eyes as us vapers watch how it is all panning out for us world wide. And especially in Europe that houses the head of the snake! What is most obvious is how immoral it all is.

Quote from Clive's Post "The objective of this Convention and its protocols is to protect present and future generations from the devastating health, social, environmental and economic consequences of tobacco consumption and exposure to tobacco smoke by providing a framework for tobacco control measures to be implemented by the Parties at the national, regional and international levels in order to reduce continually and substantially the prevalence of tobacco use and exposure to tobacco smoke"End quote

The above is a sort of fundamentalist religious statement.

"devastating health, social, environmental and economic consequences of tobacco consumption and exposure to tobacco smoke " can all be challenged.

In fact, the exaggerations, misrepresentations, economic harm, personal and individual suffering the dogma has brought on in society has been vast. This religion has seeded fear and hate. Like all successful conquering religions have done, the devotees fail to see that the act of smoking - something - anything - can never be eradicated just like conquering religions fail in accepting that not all humans will be converts.

Action against the unconverted by the conquerors becomes more violent in their desperation to create the new world of perfection that they have visioned. The prohibitionist movements that plague modern society, are no different. There is a sort of Eugenics idea in the culture that makes me very uneasy - behaviour Eugenics so to speak - conform, or die. Tobacco Control are at the leading edge.

We need a reformation - but the first thing to go for is the bullshit preached by the priests of Tobacco Control. They have been able to use science in its very worst way, to promote a movement that most people born when I was, would never have believed could ever have happened in the democratic world.

Scientists need to have the guts to challenge the science used by Tobacco Control and to demolish the morality of their mission which has been so clearly exposed now they speak against vaping. And how is it that Vaping is anything to do with THEM - it's not even a Tobacco Product. They have been offered the solution to smoking, free gratis and for nothing and consider it a threat. The WHO pontificates today. And as I write this I hear the BBC spreading the terror about SHV (Second Hand Vapour.)

The threat Tobacco Control fears is a modern, technological smoking epidemic - a safer-than-the-old-one epidemic.

And I say - so what!

A Reformation might get Tobacco Control back on track. Those that haven't been exposed as selling indulgences for their own profit, or spreading ideological science instead of real science, the ones that are left after a cleansing reformation, could be trusted to offer the truth and be motivated by love of humanity instead of protecting their own futures in a very profitable job placement in a prohibition industry.

To all the scientists and academics involved with Tobacco Control in any way, I want to say that the unbelievable, headstrong, self righteous people trying to control vaping have used all that same power, money and social engineering before to persecute smokers. The immorality in THAT should be exposed. It needs to be accepted that smoking is something people like to do. It needs to be acknowledged that there ARE safe levels of smoking. It needs to be exposed that there is no evidence that Second Hand Smoke is killing anyone. It needs to be honestly recorded that older people who die from age related illnesses are doing so because they are old and not because they once smoked. It needs to be admitted that nicotine is not a deadly drug.

Smoking needs to be accepted as a thing that some people do.

People smoke tobacco and do it with pleasure. It even has some beneficial aspects. As a society, THAT needs to be accepted. Tobacco Control needs to accept it too and admit they have gone too far, interfered too much. That way, the smoking terror will stop. That way, the pogroms against smokers will stop. That way, vapers too will be accepted into society.

Am I the only one who sees that the demonisation of SMOKING is the cause of all the problems we vapers now have?

Am I the only one who sees that there is nothing at all that can be done for us vapers, unless some kind of sanity returns to our world about smokers and smoking?

For young vapers from an old one

In September I turn seventy. You might think I'm over the hill, finished, kaput. But I am actually physically well, despite fifty years of smoking, and a pretty sedentary lifestyle too.

How long am I going to live? I don't know. Ten, twenty years if I'm lucky. I come from a long lived family. Smoking was one of the great joys of my life. I was never going to stop, unless I had to because my body was too collapsed to continue or I died, making smoking rather difficult in such circumstances.

In 2009, our family converged from all over the world for a big celebration in a large Victorian House on the Isle of Wight. I had just heard of electronic cigarettes and I bought one because we couldn't smoke in the house. It was a cigalike with a cartridge.  It was foul. I threw it away.

Three years ago this month, I bought myself a little electronic cigarette from JACVapour in Edinburgh (my nearest shop in those days) because, again, I was going away where I couldn't smoke. The little black e cig was really good. It had a cartomiser instead of a faffy cartridge. The battery and cartomiser actually lasted and the whole setup was easy to use and felt and looked "good".  Furthermore, it was SATISFYING!

Within a few weeks, I had completely switched to vaping. In my mind that seemed miraculous. It completely changed my life. I found something I liked BETTER than smoking.

So what is my worth now that I'm old and finished?  Well, it's what I have in my memories that is important. I want to share my knowledge with younger vapers. The knowledge is not about devices, mods, latest trends, manners, atomisers, TFT or BFT, or any of that.

My knowledge is about what I have seen happening around me in the world. As a young person, you will not know, because you have grown up during the "new" time.

You might not believe it, but not so long ago, LGBT (this is a Government site) was illegal! People went to prison because of their sexual preferences. Of course people were still lesbian, gay, bi-sexual and transsexual - but hidden, concealed,clandestine - subversive.

Girls who fell pregnant were considered disgraceful and their babies were taken away so that families didn't have to deal with the shame. It was hidden, concealed, clandestine - subversive. Being pregnant without being married produced legally termed "bastards".

Pornography was illegal and banned. Women needed to be chased and pure, wear little white gloves and hats and stay at home to cook, clean and look after the children. "Nice" girls never got drunk, or slept around. There were no birth control pills. How nice girls ACTUALLY behaved was hidden, concealed, clandestine - subversive.

Most people smoked cigarettes - even priest, nuns, judges, doctors, nurses, teachers, politicians scientists, psychiatrists, policemen, soldiers, Mums, Dads - you think it, they did it - everywhere. It was something people did for pleasure. Or to calm themselves. Or to control their weight. During the era of the smoking epidemic (when everyone did it because it was fashionable) cigarette tobacco was tampered with by manufacturers to make it more addictive and taste better. Thousands of chemicals were added to cigarettes, making smoking more harmful. Smoking was hard to stop. Everyone knew that. It also harmed you if you overdid it. Everyone knew that too. So after World War Two, the wisdom of the crowds knew stopping was good and smoking was bad - not BAD EVIL, but "silly".

There was no war on drugs. There WERE drugs and alcohol. People had trouble with both.There were no "designer" drugs or genetically engineered marijuana. There was no genetically engineered tobacco. There was no genetically engineered anything - that was science fiction.
 
There was no litigation mentality - suing someone because it was their fault you fell/broke your arm, whatever. The blame culture hadn't begun. There was no lawyer industry - only rich people could afford one.

The Government was expected to provide services in exchange for our income taxes. Museums, libraries, historical places and churches were free to all. There was no "public health preaching" or health Charity industries. A charity collected money from the people to do good works, and were not subsidised by Governments. Charities did lobby parliament - but were not supported by the Government to do so.

Hospitals provided care for sick people without blame. Patients were sick people - not expenses to the state, targets or statistics. There was no "elf and safety" - no European Union legislation and far less Government legislation than we have now. Every aspect of life was free-er.  Except when it came to sex. But that functioned actively in the background - hidden, concealed, clandestine - subversively.

Sex is now free-er, but many other aspects of life have become complex and tightly controlled.

One of the greatest accelerators of our progress to now, has been the use of science, data and statistics to prove, or dis-prove things about society. Computers can rustle up a lot of figures in the wink of an eye, that once took years and months to produce. There are millions of "scientists" working today, whereas in the past, scientists were few and the work laborious.

In the new scientific age the Government, to prove itself, creates data and statistics, and controls its workers by making them fill in forms and work to targets. Nursing, teaching and policing has been completely transformed by this.

Somehow, people live under huge stress to conform, to be politically correct (a new expression) and they are manipulated to do this by scientific evidence in this new scientific age.

What young people might not understand, is that science has changed from what it was - a tool for discovering information without ideology - to science funded by and promoting ideologies, social engineering and legitimising "nudges" - another word for Government interference in our lives.

Tobacco Control is a new modern industry - a  business employing many people who sustain it because it guarantees their jobs. Unable to destroy Big Tobacco, the enemy of the people, they have used science to promote the dream of a world without smokers. Smoker genocide targets ordinary behaviour to make it abnormal. Smokers are individual people. Some of the science Tobacco Control have produced is very suspect - the numbers of people dying from smoking for instance. And the idea that people get lung cancer from second hand smoke. 

We see the abuse of science to promote anti vaping fervour.  We, as vapers can see it happening before our very eyes! This is easy to do in a society already hardened to allow the persecution of smokers without personal thought, but as a result of the science presented by the prohibitionists, even though they, ordinary people, personally, have nothing against smokers or smoking.

I will not quote any figures put out by the anti-smoking industry for they are perverted by fundamentalism, profit and corrupt collusion with the pharmaceutical industry (also a new modern industry). The more I see how it is working with vaping, the more I realise how smokers have been alienated in a modern world where facilities to smoke comfortably would be easy to have, where pubs and the economy could revive, where happiness could return, where drunkeness and drug taking might reduce if there was a compromise in the smoking ban. I believe there are many more smokers than we are told. Smoking has become disgraceful, hidden, concealed, clandestine - subversive.

Our biggest problem is Tobacco Control. As a vaper, I will not regurgitate any of their words. I am appalled that we are trying to negotiate with them without exposing them instead. They have drained pleasure from society, taxed, twisted and restrained our vitality for living, all under the mantra of trying to save our lives. Smoking was a simple pleasure, without causing violence or danger. No one was admitted to hospital for smoking a whole pack of 20 in a day or being beaten up by a violent smoker under the influence of tobacco.

The biggest change I have seen in my life is withering legislation, taxation, financial greed and prohibition, prohibition, prohibition. I have heard it said "If alcohol/sugar/smoking was invented today, it would never have been allowed!" THAT is a thought that shows how twisted our thinking has become. People do not need to be allowed by an external force to eat, drink or smoke. We are individual people who should be able to choose what we do. We should be free to do that openly in our new enlightened age. We should not have to be hidden, concealed, clandestine or subversive.

 Our new scientific, secular age is riddled with fundamentalist ideology pinned in place by "evidence". The new industries of Tobacco Control, Public Health, European Union, Litigation, and Pharmaceuticals are supping at our happiness, making us miserable, guilt ridden and compliant. 

Do not believe everything you are told - even if it is supposedly proved by science.

Smoking does not kill everyone - I'm still here. And most of my smoking friends are too. Whatever happens, I intend to go on vaping till the day I die. It would be tragic if I had to do it hidden, concealed, clandestinely and subversively.

That would be a real shame

Quote - Dave Dorn "Vape on, vape hard and don't let the buggers grind you down"

Please share - 8th August is coming up! Basic information for future protesters

 Every vaper should know what is happening legally about electronic cigarettes. In the USA the FDA consultation? is that the right word? is almost up. Please respond before it is too late. The CASAA information link is below.

And in the UK, there is much we can still do. Please get involved. Links are below. This is just basic stuff for beginning. There are many, many people active for our cause. Please be one too!

Links here

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
http://blog.casaa.org/search/label/ FDA FOURTH CALL TO ACTION
http://casaa.org/ HOME PAGE 

UNITED KINGDOM
http://www.eccauk.org/  ECCA HOME
and
http://www.vapourtrails.tv/ VAPOURTRAILS TV

And don't forget to sign THE EUROPEAN FREE VAPING INITIATIVE

My YouTube channel "Vaping for the over sixties"

My Video Channel is what I like best about the social networking I do. I get hundreds and hundreds of letters and comments on it. I reply to every one. I get loads of comments of "love". I think it is because I am un threatening and I remind young people, who also watch my videos, even though the channel is called  "Vaping for the over sixties", I remind them of their grandmothers. I loved my grandmother too. I often wish I had taken more notice of her before she died. People who have bonded with me on my videos are topping up that feeling of a missing grandmother.

But more commonly, I get messages of thanks for being inspirational and starting people vaping.

I mostly use THIS blog for getting out the frustration and anger I feel at what is happening to vaping per kind hatred of the anti tobacco industry, which I dislike with a passion because of their devious anti smoking actions, now turned on us vapers.

But I don't want that anger to show up too much on my YouTube channel because beginners need encouragement, not rage.

Vaping has changed my life. It is the very best thing that has happened for smokers. I know that not everyone switches to vaping with ease - but millions of us prefer it to smoking.

I am glad my enthusiasm has started people vaping. I have tried to keep my videos simple, honest and home made. I do not represent anyone except me.

Here are my latest videos followed by my two most viewed.

Brilliant letter - thank you Hazel and thank you all!

There is something really good for me about this extraordinarily sincere letter. Hazel signed it, but I'm not sure who wrote it. To the  Independent Vapers’ Associations and Organisations of Belgium, Netherlands, France, Spain, Denmark, United Kingdom, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary.

I just want to say thanks.

Enjoy.

(COP6 is The World Health Organisation Framework Convention on Tobacco Control and this year it is in Moscow, in October)

Letter to Dr Chan; Director of WHO; re: COP6 in October

July 22, 2014

 22nd July, 2014

Dear Dr Chan,

As their representatives, we write to you on behalf of European users of electronic cigarettes. We are unpaid, unfunded and independent of any industry. As vapers ourselves, this letter is a frank expression of our personal experiences and perspective.

We ask that the current situation, all the sound and the fury surrounding electronic cigarettes, be considered from the viewpoint of the millions of Europeans who have adopted them. The unfettered access that we have enjoyed so far has been a fundamental reason for their success. It has enabled us to transit from smoking towards an infinitely less dangerous way of consuming nicotine. Some of us have then decided also to stop using e-cigarettes. Others have continued to use them, but without nicotine. Yet others, whilst having completely substituted smoking with their use, prefer to continue consuming nicotine but without the dangers associated with burnt tobacco. And then there are those who have reduced their tobacco consumption, with e-cigarettes filling the void left by unsmoked conventional cigarettes.

Smoking is a complex phenomenon and there is no single way to help smokers change their behaviour. Until recently, we had little choice. Like most smokers, we found medicinal options, the gums, patches and psychotropic substances as well as the behavioural support, to be often unpleasant and certainly ineffective. The electronic cigarette has allowed us to tailor its use to our individual tastes and needs. If you were to constrain it so that it were available in a single format that could only be used in a prescribed way, then at a stroke you would make it as ineffective as the medicinal options have been over the past 30 years.

Personal Vaporisers, e-cigs, electronic cigarettes or whatever they are called, have given millions of smokers a choice and control they never had before. The freedom to choose! That is what has made the difference for us; the ability to take our time, to choose our devices, to develop preferences for flavours. All of which we have paid for from our own pockets and purses. Let us examine perhaps the most controversial issue of all: flavours.

We are constantly being told that flavours exist only to entice new consumers and especially the young towards smoking. They excite so much fear amongst those who advise you! But listen to our experience, to what we know and understand about these flavours that are so important for us, the adults who use them. They have allowed us to create a distance between the deadly habit we had and the far healthier one we have adopted or are moving towards. It is the presence of flavours, be they bubble-gum or vanilla, that makes the possibility of returning to smoking so unlikely for those of us who have completely adopted the product, because for most of us the taste of burnt tobacco has become nauseous.

It is in the interest of public health that smoking be eliminated from society and vapers are the example of how this can be achieved. We are growing in number at a rate no-one predicted. The reason is that the market is vast and exciting, encouraging the development of products that are ever more effective. These more evolved products do not, however, interest the tobacco industry’s subsidiaries. Their interest is almost entirely limited to devices that resemble traditional cigarettes, products that do not appear to deliver nicotine very effectively, that are expensive to use and are not very appealing. Moreover, being essentially disposable, they cause environmental damage by producing tons of electrical waste.

Yet we find ourselves faced with a future where only this part of the market, with its outdated, relatively inefficient and expensive products, would be open to us. It would be akin to asking all current smartphone users to throw away their high tech devices and rely only on landlines. This simile applies just as well to the notion of vapers returning to smoking.

We cannot emphasise enough the importance of this revolution. The impact of what could be proposed at the COP6 meeting in October would see its end. A revolution no-one dreamt of during all the preceding decades of tobacco control. An unexpected revolution that all costs must not be curtailed.

This letter comes to you from smokers, ex-smokers and their families. We are mothers, fathers, sons and daughters. We have children and grandchildren. We have no vested interest, no one is paying us and no one is coercing us. We write to you with our hearts on our sleeves, with nothing to hide. We are the vapers of Europe and we ask you listen to us to recognise that we are the way for you to reach your goal. With little official involvement, we are changing the face of smoking across Europe.

Please allow us to continue doing so. To do so through snatched conversations in bars and cafés. Through quick chats on the street with interested smokers who stop us to ask about our devices. With the support of our families and friends who gratefully welcome the ensuing health benefits and appreciate the absence of passive smoking. Let us and the smokers willing to try e-cigarettes regain control of our lives without unnecessary and costly intervention.

Science will eventually answer the questions that remain, but the only one that matters now is:

Are electronic cigarettes helping millions of smokers to turn to a much less dangerous practice?

The answer can only be;

Yes!

Please do not succumb to unjustified fear, otherwise the WHO, by crushing this magnificent risk reduction opportunity, would condemn millions to an early death.

Yours sincerely,

Hazel Mabe

European Vapers United Network

germany@evun.org

for and on behalf of the Independent Vapers’ Associations and Organisations of Belgium, Netherlands, France, Spain, Denmark, United Kingdom, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, Poland, Czech Republic and Hungary.

How to bury vaping

The best way to make sure that people will not stop smoking by switching to personal nicotine vapourisers is what we see happening around us right now.

1. Raise doubts about vaping safety.
2. Spread rumours about terrible dangers.
3. Get anti tobacco experts to offer their opinions.
4. Prove the above with science and figures.
5. Crack down on Public Health to conform to expert opinion as promoted by the anti-tobacco ideologists above.
6. Use the media to disseminate fear information, especially as dramatically as possible.
7. Use medical health workers to promote doubt amongst the people.
8. Lobby the Government with tax money they raised and gave to you to promote your ideology.
9. Make out that dissenting voices are the marginal groups.
10. Proclaim that the above are paid shills.
11. Ignore anecdotes and sales figures proving consumer success of vapourised nicotine.
12. Via WHO, and the Tobacco Directive, make sure only the least efficient devices will be easily obtainable to smokers, and that the nicotine content of liquid will be wholly unsatisfying.
13. Censor advertising and promotion of personal vapourisers and the benefits of vaping, by legislation.
14. Make certain that smokers, children and most ordinary people, will not see people vaping, by banning the use of personal vapourisers in public places.
15. Promote the idea that vaping is an activity done by weak and helpless addicts.
16.  Emphasise the children, the children, the children at the expense of adults.
17. Think up a new objection if any of the above are questioned.
18. Avoid any suggestions that vaping should be considered entirely pleasurable, and that THAT is a consideration in its own right.
19. Keep up the pressure via all the already entrenched anti smoking tentacles already strangling smokers.
20. Deny that burying vaping is the motive because it's all about money and interconnected profitable corruption between corporations working together for survival if people continue smoking. Say it's all about HEALTH.

Three people have recently told me vaping is terribly bad for me because they heard it on the radio.  But the last one, came from an NHS nurse, who told one of my new vaping protege's, that vaping would make her fat because of all the glucose in the e liquid.

I WEEP!

Would nicotine extraction from tobacco free sources release vapers from Tobacco Control?

Can electronic cigarettes that use nicotine free e liquid be classified as "tobacco" products? On ebay, devices are listed as "nicotine free" and indeed, the battery we buy, the tank or the charger are all "nicotine free". They aren't "tobacco products" per se.

The problem is with e liquid and its connection to the tobacco plant nicotine that comes from it.  Everything to do with vaping has been dumped into the anti-smoking trash bin. If the nicotine we use was not derived from tobacco, could the EU place "vaping" in the Tobacco Control Directive? Well, unfortunately our vaping devices are called electronic cigarettes - CIGARETTES - damn it.

And they deliver nicotine. Quote "Nicotine is an alkaloid found in nightshade family of plants (solanaceae), mostly in tobacco, and less in tomato, potato, eggplant and green-pepper. It is also found in coca leaves. Nicotine constitutes 0.3 to 5 % of tobacco plant by dry weight; with biosynthesis taking place in the root and accumulating in the leaves." End quote

So the nicotine is made in the root and stored in the leaves. Tobacco plants can be grafted onto a tomato rootstock as tomatoes behave in the same way.

Vaper's freedom from the "tobacco" legislation could come from using nicotine from tomato, potato, eggplant or green-pepper. Why can't these plants be bred for increased nicotine, in the same way THC has been in cannabis plants?

Unfortunately botanists haven't made a global nicotine plant map because testing for nicotine is difficult on such a scale and tobacco has just been accepted as the plant that holds the most. But Australia's corkwood tree evidently produces four times the amount of nicotine than most tobacco does.

Big tobacco looked into nicotine in tomato, potato, and eggplant in 1982 and 1998 . We ingest nicotine all the time in the food we eat.

Yet even if we vaped tomato derived nicotine, we would still be classified "addicts" by you-know-who.  And our vaping "looks" like smoking - the righteous would be clobbering us on two counts! The problem is not with vaping, the problem is with the righteous who, in their anti-smoking pogroms have become mentally deranged about vaping too. Do you ever wonder whether we might as well just smoke cigarettes and be done with it!

The righteous are not righteous enough to outright ban tobacco, because they need their jobs, Governments need the tax and pharmaceuticals  need to produce their quit drugs. And, unable to legally persecute gays, jews and black people, society needs smokers to feel superior to. Electronic cigarettes are threatening to pull down the whole shameful edifice.

Because cigarettes are a still a legal product, vapers could resort to extracting our own nicotine if regulation becomes too restrictive, but that could lead to horrible accidents. And frankly, could you be arsed?